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stream quality and enjoy your favorites. now a t.v. is not required to watch on t.v. all you need is your mobile device to watch on t.v. any time and. here's mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call a dollar. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot about my country you sir are a fool you know what that is my terror cells. don't want to give us a feature is something the only liberal democrats. can see really the focus.
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is on guys so you've been watching the show you've noticed that i've been providing a platform for third party presidential candidates who you might not otherwise know about so they'll be talking to the nominee for the socialist party in the us presidential candidate heda lindsey also be taking a closer look at a topic that's become one of the biggest taboos in this country to stick around for months right to set. so if you grew up in america like me then you might have realized by now that simply mentioning the subject of socialism or communism carries an extremely negative connotation in our society now a lot of people say rightly so in the wake of the cold war the red scare was painted as the enemy of american democracy communism became
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a word tantamount to what we label as terrorism today but has there ever been a pure form of socialism or have world leaders simply perverted its ideals to rule to radically one can look to the past as an example to see the former soviet union's failed attempt toward an international communist revolution through the brutal dictatorships of lenin and stalin or you can look at cuba as an example of a successful socialist state today a country that the us has an embargo on simply because it practices socialism it has one of the highest life expectancy rates the lowest infant mortality rates and close to one hundred percent literacy despite being cast aside on the world stage needless to say these terms have been perverted to the point where they're not tossed around as baseless project word of insults used to shut down the dialogue instead of engaging in a rational debate and they are in accurately peddled by journalists and politicians alike check this out. you start to wonder whether in fact the word socialist is
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becoming a code word whether or not socialist is becoming the new word for frankly for so. angry upset burgers and others are used kind of throw the word socialist and marxist around that are not necessarily i think in definitions of socialism and marxism so give me the absolutely are joe biden calls higher taxes patriotic. joe the plumber's said it sounded day here like socialism. doesn't help to have a frugal socialist that's really what we're talking about is managing socialism and trying to be a frugal socialist what we need to do is to just say because i have a feeling that's a headline did did you just say that newt gingrich is a socialist what i'm saying is that i'm saying a frugal socialist yes. i don't know where to start with that last comment from michele bachmann and the cheers and applause to palin by mentioning social without
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really having a grasp on what it actually means is mind boggling i mean surely these people have taken one political science course before getting into politics right also think it doesn't appear that they have let me take a cue from good old glenn beck here for a minute and break down some definitions for you socialism and various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods communism a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed and then marxism the political economic and social theories of karl marx including the belief that the struggle between social classes is a major force in history that there should be eventually be a society in which there are no classes at all i know a lot of isms right but even though they're often lumped together and used interchangeably these terms are different from one another see marxist theory is
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that socialism would eventually succeed capitalism because capitalism exploits and oppresses workers leading to a revolt of the working class and the working class gains control of the goods and services that they produce communism comes in later and is the most idealistic stage where society is completely classless and stateless these ideologies have shaped the course of history regardless of your beliefs about them alternatives to capitalism continue to play an important role in our world today and if there is one word that the corporate media and politicians love to throw around especially when referring to president obama it's socialism. congresswoman bachmann has said that president obama has quote ushered in socialism during his first term governor perry says that this administration is quote hell bent toward taking america toward a socialist country when speaker gingrich was asked if he believes president obama's a socialist. spotted quote sure courses i. transform into of the
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country would appear as users. this is moviegoing want you to socialism for us to. do is really look to. think he's a socialist recently i do or i think. is a socialist so to cut through some of this rhetoric i'm joined now by a member of the socialist party co-founder of march forward mike prysner so mike you just heard this ridiculous but first of all thank you for coming on. you've heard this ridiculous montage of elected officials and pundits who are misusing the word socialism so why don't you just explain to our audience really quick why obama is not in fact a marxist sure well first of all a member of the p.s.l. that's the party for socialism and liberation and of course obama if he actually was a socialist there would be no us drone or us soldiers killing people in independent countries around the world the millions of people who are unemployed would have
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been put to work people would be provided health care and education free of charge student debt and debt mortgage payments to the banks would be immediately forgiven but i think that all of this kind of rhetoric about obama being a socialist as some on the right wing will call any program that benefits any poor or working people is socialist i think as much as i dislike obama i have to say that a lot of the claims that obama is a socialist is right in line with the same people who say he's he's muslim as if that's a bad thing or that he's not born in this country that he's a foreigner as if that's a bad thing because it really is part of this racist reaction to someone being the other in the white house or someone different so when they're saying socialist a lot of times those people who are just playing really mean nonwhite but the reason that this term has such a stigma and the reason that we're kind of indoctrinated with this idea by this. pro corporate establishment that socialism is the worst thing ever because that really represents the only real challenge to the rule of the one percent the only
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real alternative to the system that we know cannot exist without inequality and without severe crises so you're an iraq war veteran and many people say that we're in these countries abroad simply to seize their resources for profit i mean did your experience in iraq guide you in social isn't. it absolutely did and i'm not sitting here as someone who grew up as a leftist or always had this kind of radical ideology and fact i was completely on the other side to the point where i volunteered for the u.s. military volunteered to go to iraq because i believe that america was the greatest country on the planet and that we should risk our lives to defend its ideals but i found out very quickly in iraq that all of the things that we were told the reasons we had to go there were flat out lies we know them today to be willful and blatant lies by the politicians that led to the deaths of over a million iraqis and six thousand american soldiers so i was very angry and
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betrayed by you know willing to give my life for this cause and then realizing that it was all a lie and so i became obsessed with digging to find out what was the reason we went to war in iraq which is a question on a lot of people's minds and of course the initial reaction was well it was the bush administration and the republican party and rumsfeld and rice you know people who are warmongering to benefit their friends and big oil and in the defense industry but just a slightly closer look you realize that since world war two when the united states to emerge as the dominant superpower on the planet a constant war against independent countries for the interests of wall street in the banks has been the policy of both republicans and democrats that entire time which is why in tonight's debate you're not going to see really any disagreement over u.s. foreign policy about worth around about war with afghanistan about war with libya they're all going to be in law. because the system itself capitalism now in the stage of imperialism only exists to maximize profits that's the only thing that
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drives it so inevitably a system that is only based on maximizing profits is inevitably going to expand to seize the resources and markets of areas it does not control if it doesn't do that it collapses and so today war and constant war is an essential feature of the capitalist system and it does seem like this whole model is based on a system of unsustainable growth but but mike you say that this is the only alternative to capitalism i mean one of the largest critiques of socialism is that if you have all your needs met and you're just given rations of it stifle innovation and growth i mean is competition and hair and human nature or is that not just what we're led to believe i mean how can we make sure that the incentive stays alive and people are rewarded for enervation. i think that creating amazing things is in human nature you know this idea that socialism would stifle innovation and development i mean it we're expected to believe that if every single person and
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young person and child and child in this country was given the opportunity to pursue their dreams to pursue what they're passionate about to go to college for whatever they want to pursue the arts to pursue culture if they were given that opportunity and also had all their basic needs met so they didn't have to worry about if they were going to eat they didn't have to worry about if they were going to be a victim they don't have to worry about if they're going to go bankrupt from a doctor's bill we're expected to believe that if all these basic needs were met and all this opportunity was given to every single person in this country all of things which can happen today with the wealth that we create in this society we're expected to believe that that would somehow stifle innovation in fact quite the opposite which stifles innovation is this system that says millions of young people cannot go to college simply because they cannot afford it should have been there and let people in when they're rewarded for for innovation i mean would there would there be any sort of rewards for these people pursuing innovation. i think the reward of actually creating things and giving back to society is one that will
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entice people i don't think that the majority of people who become artists or become scientists or who become doctors are doing so because they want to make money but because they truly feel that these are things they want to pursue and develop but right now under this system people do not have the opportunity to do those things only a small privileged sector can pursue all those things that i just mentioned while really that majority millions and millions of people in this country do not have those opportunities and so i think a society that's based on equality and allowing every single person to go to college and pursue the things that they love and are passionate about that will result in much more human potential mike i think with a lot of the occupy wall street movement definitely primarily rallying against the system of capitalism definitely something to think about thank you so much for coming on sharing your intake. so if you like this is so far go to our you tube channel like you tube dot com slash breaking the site and subscribe check out our
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facebook dot com slash break in the set follow me on twitter and i'll be martin to stay tuned here about the u.s. party for socialism and liberation and their candidate for president head of lindsay next.
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as for. this presidential election is not just about obama and romney there are also third party candidates on the ticket and they will influence its outcome see a debate among this nation's major third party candidates right here on our team
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over twenty third. and i would like to turn your attention to someone who is bringing forward the socialist ideology right here in the united states that someone is paid to lindsay a twenty eight year old a howard university graduate who is pioneering an effort to educate americans about the alternatives while doing so she's asking for your vote as president united states and the party for socialism and liberation for the p.s.l. check out part of her latest campaign video. if a social economic order is unable to provide the people with jobs and deprives them of the basic necessities of life that are readily available but out of reach simply because people are unemployed or have no money then we say that system is no longer
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credible the two thousand and twelve presidential campaign is organized on a social news ten point program. the p.s.l. party is on the ballot in thirteen states while that may pale in comparison to other third party candidates those thirteen states comprise of a total of eighty five million residents and forty million registered voters so talk more about her vision talk to p.s.l. party candidate herself. check it out. you're twenty years old your running mate. was born in colombia and automatically this disqualifies you both from being eligible to actually win so what are you trying to accomplish here. well the party for socialism in liberation is a party of activists right we believe that it's the people and not the politicians who make real change you know so we're really concerned if you look at everything that working people are oppressed people have won the united states every single right that we have won from women's rights to civil rights for african-americans to
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labor rights in the eight hour work day those were not gifts of any politician right those are things that millions of people thousands of people in every community school workplace fought for and won so we're primarily concerned with building the struggle so to that extent you know we have been leaders in the in the movement for a long time you know we've been leaders in demonstrations against the war against racism against bigotry against racist police brutality and we see the elections as one more venue through which to fight for the things that working people and oppressed people need and just answer the question of eligibility you know it's funny people forget that there's a time in our history when i wouldn't been eligible because i'm a woman or because i'm african-american but the only reason that those things change the only reason that we're now able to participate in the political process at all is because people who are fused to be marginalized because women because african-americans got out there and fought for. so you know we're saying if you look at the problems that are facing our country today unemployment a huge problem and youth unemployment is the highest incident began recording those statistics right on the massive massive student loan debt being carried by so much
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of the population well the class of two thousand and eleven had the highest student loan debt in history if you look at the issue of the war in afghanistan for example you know under the constitution it's congress is supposed to be able to clear war while the average age of a congress person is like sixty and the average age of a soldier who's actually fighting in afghanistan is nineteen so the people who declare these wars are more than three times as old as the people who actually have to go and fight them and they're well protected from ever having to fight you know because of that fact so we're saying that you know given that you know young people are so disproportionately suffering under these policies of this government why then is it ok to systematically disenfranchise us to exclude us from the government and keep us out of our role in making these policies so we're fighting for our right to be included in the political process and also like as you know you know as i was saying earlier we believe that it's the movement that makes change or believe it's a movement in the streets and historically young people have always been at the very front of those movements always been leaders in those movements so we respect the leadership of young people who are out there trying to recruit you know we're talking to people of all ages but why not let young people get out there represent
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themselves interesting point thanks for explaining that so you know in two thousand to travel to cuba with a group called pastors for peace was that the turning point for you when you were there to embrace this activism in the movement. now absolutely you know cuba is a very important very important country and it really is really impressive what they've been able to do you know with the society that's organized to meet human need you know they have very little resources because of the cruel and inhuman blockade of the united states but with what resources they have with the society they have they managed to do so much and give so much to the world but i actually began organizing much much more earlier in my life and i was an organizer with the philadelphia student union when i was twelve years old and we organize a two thousand student walkout to demand more money for public schools you know we had realized that the surrounding school districts. i received two thousand dollars more per student than the philadelphia public schools did you know our district was majority of low income our district was majority black and so we saw this is you know this is a struggle against racism this is
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a struggle against class oppression you know it's working class kids you went to the schools rich kids did not go to those schools and we had to fight for our own class interests so that's really when i began this kind of organizing you know fighting for the things that working people need when i began fighting for philadelphia public schools and i want to talk about your party platform a little bit what solutions you're offering to americans right now and your first point is making a job a constitutional right and even raising the minimum wage twenty dollars an hour how exactly would that work. right well we have two ways on how to do this you know fundamentally what we're saying is that you know the massive wealth society should be the massive wealth society was created by the working class it was created by the working people in the society so we should be using that wealth to fund the things that working people need and one thing that working people need right now are jobs we need jobs more than anything our second point is you know free education free housing free health care this is the richest country in the world we can absolutely afford to provide these things to people one way we would do it is by immediately ending the war the war in afghanistan cost three hundred thirty million dollars a day you know these massive bases all over the world that are just there to
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protect us imperialist interests are just there to protect us domination of those markets you know so we want to end that system by which the u.s. has this massive military dominance all over the world bring the troops home and use that money to fund the things that people need you know the pentagon spending is something like one trillion dollars a year that's one trillion dollars it could be going to jobs could be going to schools could be going to housing and health care and the things that we actually need and you know instead of going to the slaughter of working people abroad you know people who are just like us another way is to seize the banks you know it's the banks that cause the economic crisis it's the banks that caused the situation where you know millions of people became unemployed millions of people became foreclosed on and not one banker was jailed you know not one banker was held accountable in fact the exact opposite happened you know the u.s. government gave these bankers seven hundred billion dollars of our money if our tax money overnight no strings attached you know they have yet to disclose what they did with the money and that's considered perfectly ok sherman going to that money just to them of course i mean it's undeniable i mean weapons are number one export
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our country runs pretty much on warfare i mean that's a lot of the jobs that are happening right here so what would you do to shift jobs over to be sustainable to not be based on the warfare to me. well that's how you know that's why that the entire program is so important because we're saying that we also want to develop you know free education for example so that anyone could be could go back to school be retrained for completely free and be entered into these other fields if we were. to provide health care for example we have to build a lot more hospitals we have to set up a lot more medical facilities those are construction jobs those are nursing jobs you know if we want to if we want more education any more schools right now the u.s. infrastructure like our roads our bridges in the last survey they received a d. grade like it's all crumbling so we need engineers you know we need people with those skills to get out there and build the infrastructure right here so there are tons of things that people could do and tons of things that people could be retrained to do in our society to create these jobs i think a lot of people when they obviously of course indoctrination of anything not capitalistic is bad but i think one of the side effects of socialism that people
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assume that the media would be completely state controlled what do you say to that i mean how can we be sure that other voices be able to get out there to keep the state in check independent media sources. i mean right now is our media really independent our media is owned by a handful of billionaires the same as every other industry under capitalism to do we really have an independent media in the you know how can we be sure there would be independent under socialism. were for the greatest a level of democratic persist in the greatest level of education possible you know where for society in which everyone participates in it which everyone's voice is heard much more so than under capitalism right now ok in a country where we have such a consumer base society obviously turning around the largest couple of force in the world is a huge endeavor so how do you promote the kind of economic growth that the u.s. experiences without having that capitalist foundation. well you know they say all revolutions as one of thing they said in south africa was all revolutions are
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impossible until they happen and then they were always inevitable this is such a highly developed country you know this is such a rich country there's so much money already and so much wealth already being generated all we're saying is that that wealth instead of going in the hands of a few to be used for the benefit of many you know so we're talking about reorganizing society centrally planning society so that we are producing according to things that people need you know right now in the united states we have eighteen million that we have sorry we have three point million five. homeless people right and eighteen million vacant houses in apartment that are kept off the market because they can't be sold for profit you know people just drop houses and charge money for them they don't build according to what people need so you know like i said we're for the greatest amount of patients we want to organize on every level and get society organized so that we're meeting the needs of people as our priority instead of meeting the needs of profit as our priority which is how do you know how society runs right now do you think about the exclusion of not only your voice i mean green party libertarian other ideologies a lot aside from the two party dictatorship is what i like to call it what do you
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think about this exclusion of the dialogue in these kind of charade presidential races. well that's the thing is that we think that fundamentally the elections are standard the elections themselves are a form of class rule you know these candidates are spending like two point five billion dollars and though they're both rich individual e. you don't get that kind of money without the biggest banks and corporations so you know it's often the same banks and corporations are doing it on both sides that regardless of whether it's a democrat who wins or republican who wins the banks always win the corporations always win the caplets always win so we think the elections themselves are a form of class rule like great it's a way to ensure the interest of the banks are always going to dominate the interest of wall street are always dominant and you know you get to fool people into thinking that you know giving them the appearance of choice you know but really only representing the rule of one class so you know that's historically what it's always been and like i said we're telling people that the elections are a form of class rule elections are never going to be where you get real change but we're we're running this campaign so we can get out there with people and show them you know what we're fighting for the we're fighting for jobs for education for
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health care for the things that working people need and though they won't get those things by voting you will get those things by joining the fight you know so with this campaign we've been able to go from city to city all across the country meeting with community groups with classes with college organizations you know with people at their workplaces all sorts of people to talk to them about you know you know because a lot of people get sucked into this electoral cycle they go to the election looking for change and we've talked about how real change is made in. real changes made strikes like real change is made to protest real changes made to taking over buildings and you know through asserting and fighting for your rights to make change are you fighting for the things that you need you know there was a. or there was a. go on sorry that's what there is. there are the fees done in the new york times recently write that compared progressive legislation passed under nixon and regressive legislation passed under obama and what was interesting was that there were so much more progressive legislation passed under nixon like that so we got affirmative action that's what roe v wade was upheld title ten and the e.p.a.
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and nixon himself was a pig you know like nixon the total right winger he was raised as he was sex is very symmetric like really and to human right but it's because that was one nine hundred sixty eight and that was one nine hundred seventy two and people were out in the streets demanding those changes lower standards and it shows how lower standards have come now but yes real change can only come from the bottom up but really quickly i just wanted to say what do you say to people who say voting for any third party is a wasted vote you have about twenty seconds. eugene debs said i'd rather vote for what i want and not get it than vote for what i don't want and get it i think that when you vote for a party of that doesn't care about what you need that doesn't do anything progressive it doesn't do anything for your community then you're wasting your vote you know if you continue to support a party that does not care about working people of that is throwing your vote away thank you so much. candidate for president of the united states thank you so much for providing an alternative and for coming on. thank you so much for having me i really enjoyed talking to you thank you. instead of allowing people like pay to
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participate in a broader political conversation the powers that be marginalize these voices which is sad because some of them will actually be on the majority of state ballots gary johnson jill stein they've been engaging they're responsible to present the alternative now it's up to you to turn out for them the way they've turned out for you. over a decade up north almost terrorist attack. x. hostages blood us into their lives after the tragedy. still gives try to cross over the past. because their future.
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